| Author | Subject: Cooler Bitch Mania |
| Juice | Posted At 08:10:09 04/05/2001 Jeez. Looks like the Cooler bitches have found a new platform to "spread the gospel." I can't believe some of you folks have the balls to come onto someone else's boards to complain about things that have no relevance to eLance or your own agenda. Not happy enough with the tripe eLance is feeding you? Maybe you should use one of your Get Out Of Jail Free cards they gave you when you signed up to be a Cooler Bitch with them in an attempt to try to keep things nice and tidy. ELance has turned into a complete waste of time for any professional provider over the last several weeks. Select is simply a glorified Basic Marketplace, with the same scrounging for jobs and lowball eye candy artists looking for a few scraps. Then they're supposed to start charging for Basic sometime within the next few weeks, according to another eLancer I've heard. And since Select has reduced Basic to an absolute flea market, it's future looks quite dim as well. And add to that dung heap the insecure accounts, modified handicapped bidding process and all the fake buyers and sellers hired in an attempt to make the Select Program look better, and you've got a grenade sitting there, folks, and the pin is nowhere to be found... Hiring people to spread fake cheer and blind support doesn't help them as much as they'd like to think. And coming in here to try to devalue the comments made by people who don't give in to selling out for the company or letting them walk all over you won't win you any popularity contests either. Take it from one of the original eLance cheerleaders. At least I did it because I liked what eLance did for my business, and not because I was asked to or offered compensation. Too bad the Site and it's plans have taken a nosedive lately and don't offer me a thing anymore. What a shame... |
| Bob Strick | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 09:24:54 04/05/2001 Gee Juiceman, I remember crossing swords with you a time or two back in December over the QSP program, and your conversion to the cause over the last few weeks has been nothing short of miraculas. While I haven't tried near as hard as you or Steve to make money on elance, I have enjoyed the cooler discussions until about three weeks ago. To see the attempts to stifle dissent about the select program as well as the elimination of posts and Steve, has left me with a rather bad attitude. So far however, the choice banner on my profile is still there. Incidently, the cooler bitches fool no one. Bob |
| W8R | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 18:28:25 04/05/2001 Right on. And I'd think the best way to pay a cooler bitch would be in a guaranteed project award: steer the buyer to the bitch, in exchange for the snitch. Then close the deal, and have the snitch brag about getting new projects at the cooler, increasing popularity among peers while beefing up the portfolio. I'm sure it pays well for the 'right' individuals. But this is just conjecture, with no basis in fact.... In reality I wouldn't know what to pay a cooler bitch, cause I'd never have one. Goes beyond my level of professional business practices. Steve |
| DTP | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 00:32:45 04/06/2001 Steve - Can I be your cooler bitch? I'll work in return for feedback. Christine |
| W8R | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 05:39:41 04/06/2001 Sounds tempting, Christine... I'll guarantee you 3 immediate projects over $750, 5-star feedback on all of them, and your first 3 months of Select absolutely free. Just bash me at the cooler, willya? Steve |
| watcher |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 16:35:45 04/06/2001 the cooler bitch mania post was written by steve at w8r. if you dont believe me , try to type in the word bitch into a post and see what happens . you get a disclaimer saying "the word bitch is not admisable here" so only the board comandant can over ride that. let be real . whats is real bad taste is posting someones nick name on the main page and and defaming them with no evidence but basing it stricly on an opinion about whether someone disagrees. when the moderator of this board slanders all that dont agree with them. lets talk about being united. you tried to shove that choice crap down our throats and when someone came up with a real honest org. like IQSP, you decided not to koin. because you dont want to be part of anythingyou can't control. control freak. the truth is elance has its problems , but they can be addressed and if they cant right now then elance can be said to have brought many web designers together . you should have so noble an effect on everyone. you are a destoyer of goodwill. and have never done anything good for the profession. the only reason you have supporters is that people are afraud that if they upset you, they will see their name on the splash page of you self promoting BS site. pathetic little crybaby and slanderer. expect legal action steve-stony-jiuce-my clone-baby |
| Aedyn | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 16:59:25 04/06/2001 Bitch bitches...worked for me...maybe it's your typing??? Be careful of what you accuse people of, hiker-rdgraphics-or whoever you are. Legal action works both ways. As far as a destroyer of goodwill--what's that old saying. Oh yeah, point a finger at someone and there are three pointing right back at ya. You may want to give that some thought. I wonder where all that animosity stems from. Just goes to prove that no one from "the other side" has the capacity or the desire to have a professional and rational conversation. Instead they need to resort to personal slams and name-calling. My advice--Stay off this site if you're not ready to grow up. You're just making a fool of yourself. |
| Aedyn | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 18:13:35 04/06/2001 By the way, "bitch" showed up three times in your own message. And, we know Steve didn't type yours in, agreed? To use your own words, let's be real. You know what's really sad? Myself and a few others were discussing the possibility of joining IQSP with one of the members of the organization on this very site about a week and a half ago. A conversation of which, by the way, Steve was present for. He made no comment either way, for or against the organization. (Not much of a control freak, huh?) Anyway, the person I spoke to is someone I respect and like very much. However, after the way you presented yourself today, I am no longer interested in any kind of affiliation with the organization. I find it ironic that as a member of an organization that was supposedly founded on the idea of professionalism that you would behave this way. If I was a member, I would be outraged that you had brought the organization into your post. I know of several people who belong to IQSP that I respect and like very much, but no one likes a hypocrite. If you supposedly stand for professionalism, try showing some. |
| DTP | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 20:40:05 04/06/2001 Aedyn, to be fair, I doubt that the author of this rant was either hiker or rd; they tend to write in complete sentences and sound like rational human beings. The spelling mistakes, the random punctuation, the pointless name-calling, the threats of legal action, the fact that this person is a web designer... now, who can that be, I wonder? |
| rdgraphics | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 20:47:18 04/06/2001 Aedyn, I made it my personal policy to ignore posts as shown above, however. let me quickly point out, that you just did the same with "accusing" hiker and me to be some anonymous poster named watcher. I never have used and never will use a pseudonym in any chatboard. This "mania" recently is something I am taking myself totally out, just FYI. However, I do not appreciate to see my name (my screenname) mentioned in such hassle conversations. Please all of you note, I do NOT feel any need to hide behind any name. If I have a concern,. I am very well able to address it openly under my name. And I am pretty sure hiker does too. This "bashing" thing is merely childish on either side and I took and take myself totally out of it. |
| Ronnie | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 21:02:44 04/06/2001 second attempt Aedyn, I made it my personal policy to ignore posts as shown above, however. let me quickly point out, that you just did the same with "accusing" hiker and me to be some anonymous poster named watcher. I never have used and never will use a pseudonym in any chatboard. This "mania" recently is something I am taking myself totally out, just FYI. However, I do not appreciate to see my name (my screenname) mentioned in such hassle conversations. Please all of you note, I do NOT feel any need to hide behind any name. If I have a concern,. I am very well able to address it openly under my name. And I am pretty sure hiker does too. This "bashing" thing is merely childish on either side and I took and take myself totally out of it. |
| Aedyn | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 21:33:47 04/06/2001 Just a question, who would threaten legal action if there was no reference to them on this site or an affiliation with the person who is mentioned? Rd, I've seen your posts both at the cafe' and to hiker via Su on the water cooler (discussion forum...whatever elance chooses to call it now or tomorrow). Even though you claim to have taken yourself out of it, obviously that only applies when you're confronted. Christine, I'm sorry if you feel I was wrong, but you're welcome to a link to the cafe' site where they express their feelings about Steve freely. They insist on attacking the man versus the position. I'm just wondering where the animosity is coming from. Jealousy tends to present itself in ugly ways...are they jealous of Steve's work, his looks, or of the friendships and respect he's attained? I have to wonder. As I'm sure you know, I'm against the Select program for what it claims to stand for, but I have a few people I consider great friends in the program. I do not bash them for their difference in views nor do I feel it's up to me to change their minds. It's their business, period. But, why do others not show the same respect to Steve? That's exactly why I feel it's not about this site, his stand, or anything rational. Thus the attacks. See what I mean? Makes no sense and it's just childish and immature. |
| rdgraphics | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 21:52:20 04/06/2001 Aedyn, I am not quite sure what you mean. I AM taking myself out of it and am - right at this moment - regretting to even have gotten into it again. It makes me sad to see what is going on, really, because this all plays right into e-lance's hands. As you might have noticed, I myself have fallen subject to e-lance's injustice when they suspended me for having the IQSP logo up and still so far I am the only one although others have it up too. Anyway.... I was merely stating that I do not hide behind a false name. How else would you have been able to read MY posts in the various boards? I am also not holding back with my opinion and whatever I said, Steve is aware of and it has not always been rosey between him and me, but that is an open book and I respect Steve as a fellow colleague and yes, as a friend also. And I hope all this stupid stuff will not change this. Let;s put the witchhunt aside, ok? The only reason I am "responding" is, because I - as opposed to this ominous watcher - am FOR a peaceful environment. When I voice my opinion it just hurts me too much if anyone sees it as bashing. |
| Aedyn | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 22:18:19 04/06/2001 You have mail, Ron. I offered to you the option to take down these posts for I feel it is truly a blemish on the organization you have tried to build. In exchange, I ask that you appeal to the people that frequent the cafe' and the members of the IQSP and express your desire to have this kind of behavior end. I'm not, by any means, saying that all of them are guilty. I know for a fact that many of them would not stoop to this level. I agree with you that this bashing needs to end. Unfortunately, some have made it that way, but I do not wish to play that game. And, although I have seen some personal bashes come from you and I think you misunderstood Steve's reasons for leaving the IQSP, I'm willing to put that aside. I know that things can get heated, but this needs to stop. People are free to have their own opinions, but they are not free to resort to personal attacks on these boards. Call it censorship or what have you, but this site was not set up so that childish people who are supposed to be professionals would have somewhere to "play". Just to assist you should you make further posts to the board, you are taken to a different screen where you will see your post. You need to then come back to the board and refresh it. Your post will show up automatically. Hope this helps. |
| W8R | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 22:35:18 04/06/2001 Aedyn has a right to believe that the people who are posting their character attacks on the cafe site are altogether in this - it turned into exactly what I said it would be while there under an alias. Ron, I don't consider you a friend at all but a Judas, if you will. Posting public accusatory comments that defame one's character as you've done on the cafe site, I'm awfully surprised. I don't need friends who kiss up to wherever the wind is blowing. It showed with the IQSP and that is why I chose no membership. If you remember, others saw it too and did likewise. This site gets hundreds of hits a day, and we won't stand for the obvious defamation of character that has transpired here over the past 48 hours. We're not taking these matters lightly but have turned them over. There's really no need to discuss it further here. |
| W8R | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 22:46:10 04/06/2001 The topic is Cooler Bitches, and Juice started it here. What say ye? Know someone who sold out to their peers just to get a few extra benes from elance for reportedly snitchin on cooler stuff? |
| rdgraphics | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 22:47:49 04/06/2001 Aedyn, thanks for the reply. I basically just DID post such a statement and will discuss for sure this issue with the right persons at IQSP. I didn't get your e-mail though, at least not yet. let's see, my servers seems to act funny tonight. Firstly... yes, this hostility has to end, definitely. It is a shame that we (and I am taking NO ONE out here, not me, not you) have come to a point where we seem to have to vent our frustration in this unhealthy way. Secondly, about Steve's leaving IQSP, He was one of the first "members" and so was Jo (Liais), however, we were not organized at that point. I don;t think that you have enough insight in this to say something about his reasons and the way I see it. All I saw was, that there was a major rush to make decisions without really clarifying who MAKES the decision and on the other hand it was supposed to "go slowly"... now this has nothing to do with Steve so far, but what was kind of puzzling me at this time was, that Steve did not even give it a chance. I know that he was personally stressed and strained at this time, so I still honor his decision, but some supposed reasons also still don't wash water with me. Steve, on the other hand has HIS view of IQSP and ... take it as you will... unfortunately or whatever, this issue has come down to be a subject to be "avoided between him and me". And at this point it doesn't really matter anyway. Steve has his way and IQSP has its way. It would just be nice if both could coexist without animousity. As I said before... I am ignoring ANY bashing and that seems to be the only way to treat the issue. Just one more thing, you again said I was "bashing" Steve. To me this is not bashing, especially not when you look at the real bashing and the "masters" it comes from. I am simply stating my opinion, IN FRONT of the curtain and open for reasonable responses. I must admit though, that I deeply resent the fact that "watcher" seemingly took some of my words and used them in his post here, especially the last section. Be sure that I will point this whole issue out in IQSP, but also, please, give us the benefit of the doubt. We are NOT a hostile group and should anyone amongst us really be involved in this childish bashing, accurate measures will be taken. Ron P.S. I found the quirk in the refresh and see my posts now:) |
| rdgraphics | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 22:54:35 04/06/2001 wowowow.... ok.... as a last statement then... I am very sad to see that this happened. This is then obviously NOT the place for me to be, Steve. Sorry you feel that way. I still resent the bashing, but rest assured I will not bother to voice my opinion here again. But I also wish ALL of you to notice that I am NOT a person who will come back as someone else and therefroe wish to NOT be brought in any relation to those who do. Sorry again.... and (a bit of a bitter) good luck to you Steve. |
| W8R | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 22:59:24 04/06/2001 Ron, I gave the IQSP all the chance it needed. We were looking for an organization that would stand up to the elance propaganda programs like the QSP, which is now Select. The Choice Advicacy is the first program that has stood up to that challenge. If I were to have permitted Choice Advocacy to be used by Select members, it would have had no meaning. That same train of thought applied to IQSP. You accepted and welcomed members of the QSP, a program that was in direct opposition to your goals. You did it to not offend those persons and it resulted in an organization that had no substance. While it may be commendable that you've changed all that, your group efficacy for the then present distress was null and void. Hence, we get Select and need to come up with a viable alternative, which we did. |
| Aedyn | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 23:03:21 04/06/2001 Hold on, let me clarify something. I do not believe that everyone on the cafe' site is involved. I believe that a few are, yes, and have reason to believe that. Ron, I emailed you the company name of one of the individuals who has been involved in the spamming of this board. I did this in the interest of your organization and am choosing not to make this company's name public knowledge. However, to said company, if you continue to post on this board, I will not hesitate to make your identity public. Yes, it will spoil your attempt at hiding behind a false i.d., but I feel you will get what you deserve. Take this as a warning and there will be no further ones. To others who are posting maliciously, please know that the other IPs are being investigated and the same warning applies to you. Your identities will be revealed and reported if you choose to continue this nonsense. |
| W8R | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 23:06:04 04/06/2001 And if you read my post carefully you will see that I have said the 'people who are posting their character attacks.. are in this altogether' NOT the people who post to the site. There are people there who have no part in any direct character attacks, |
| W8R | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 23:08:24 04/06/2001 Again, the topic is Cooler Bitches. Anyone? |
| n.artist | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 23:17:50 04/06/2001 This post is directed to "watcher." I don't know who you are. I don't know why you are filled with anger. I do know that your behavior isn't at all professional. As a Founding member of the IQSP, I want to say that the IQSP is not about cowardly name calling. It is about professional business standards. You aren't displaying them and I sincerely hope you aren't really a member of the IQSP. -Susan D. Stevens |
| Aedyn | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 23:18:10 04/06/2001 Thank you, Steve, for clarification on that. I just didn't want a bunch of people thinking I was attacking them. I believe most people in this world are good and it just takes a few bad apples to spoil it for the rest of us. As well, to those who think they are "brilliant enough" to spoof IPs, there are other ways to skin a cat. Just remember that and tread very carefully. Is that a threat? No, just a warning. Do with it what you will. |
| Aedyn | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 02:18:24 04/07/2001 Ron (rdgraphics), this post is to you. I feel I owe you an apology for using your name in my post in reference to the "watcher" post. After our discussions, I feel I was wrong in doing so and hope that you will accept my sincere apology. I wish you and IQSP all of the best. Sincerely, Melissa |
| rdgraphics | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 02:26:08 04/07/2001 Thank you Melissa, I appreciate the fact that it is possible to resolve this issue in a calm manner. I posted an apology about my post in the webcafe and want to state again in here, that I in no way intend to discredit neither Steve nor Choice nor any of its members. As I wrote to you in my e-mail, I would want to see my origin verified when I make a post, because seemingly there are numerous possibilities to sign on under a false name and post that way. I would encourage others to also do so. It is a small step to maybe calm the "paranoia" down a bit and keep the boards spam and spy free. Although I was a bit "pouty" about Steve's first reply to my post, I would love to know that I am still welcomed here. Thanks again Melissa, Ron |
| W8R | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 03:20:50 04/07/2001 Ron, Your apology has been publicly accepted, and I no longer see the Judas reference I made to you earlier. He hanged himself over his doings, you repented over yours here, and it has not gone unnoticed. You're welcome here anytime, Ron, and I look forward to more professional debate with you as we've had in the past on these issues that affect those us concerned about quality and integrity in our work ethics. Please do participate. Steve |
| W8R | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 04:03:27 04/07/2001 Back to the cooler bitches. That is not my name for these people. It is reportedly what Cre8tive Juice was asked if he wanted to become by MarketMaker when he tried to pull out of the Select program. It is an in-house term reportedly used by elance to identify their own at the cooler. So don't blame me. |
| DTP | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 10:36:24 04/07/2001 Cre8tive Juice - If you don't mind talking about it, I'd very much like to hear more details about your conversation with elance when you pulled out of Select. You could email me if you'd prefer not to discuss it here. Do you guys know the usernames of some of the known "cooler bitches", and how much they're being compensated? |
| bundock | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 18:06:48 04/07/2001 As an IQSP member, I'd like to add my wholehearted endorsement of the posting by n.artist. Whoever 'Watcher' is, he/she in no way speaks for the membership of IQSP - and certainly not for me. |
| W8R | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 18:50:43 04/07/2001 Christine, I've emailed you regarding your request and leave the floor open for anyone else to contribute what they know as well. |
| rdgraphics | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 19:24:39 04/07/2001 I would also like to learn more about the cooler bitches. One question.... what do they do? What is e-lance's intend with that? Do they want to stir up the cooler or are these cooler bitches "spies" (yucky word) who are out to "catch" us baddies? |
| rdgraphics | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 19:26:32 04/07/2001 hey why is my name not liked to my e-mail?... I posted it.... hm... maybe I mistyped again:) Just to make sure... the last post WAS from me, Ron, rdgraphics |
| elancer |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 2 replies)
Posted At 21:15:23 04/09/2001 rdgraphics, Cooler Bitches is something made up by w8r and crew. You can choose to believe it, but then you buy into their paranoia. W8r is at this point out to do elance as much damage as possible so he closely resembles a sort of anti-elance unibomber, lobbing lies and insults (at this point) instead of actual bombs, but given the effort he's put into this site... well, one only knows. Now, since I am speaking the truth, I expect this post to be quickly removed. If by some miracle you are reading it, w8r is probably out trying harangue some reporter with more anti-elance invective and slander and hasn't had time to delete it. If it remains for more than a day, then I for one will be surprised, but I hope that by speaking this way he will leave it up out of spite. Thanks. |
| Aedyn | Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 23:13:56 04/09/2001 I have the original email from Ben to Steve regarding the Cooler Bitch discussion Ben had with eLance. It was sent to me on 4/4/01. Would you like to call me a liar too now? Perhaps you'd like to call Cre8tive one as well? Heck, why stop there...call everyone a liar that doesn't agree with selling out or turning a blind eye. You have no desire to hear the truth; just want to believe what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. eLance likes naive people and delights in trying to make Steve look like he has another agenda. You might want to start by asking yourself what's in it for him? He's put up with more bullsh*t (pardon my french) by people such as yourself than I ever would. Why? Because he believes people deserve to know the truth. Too bad all people don't believe that and aren't willing to risk so much just to do what's right and hold people accountable for misleading or duping others. I'm sure he's questioning if it's even worth it...I know I would be. |
| Valda Wells (inprint4all) |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 12:51:47 04/10/2001 "elancer" you do NOT speak for me. I abhor your choice of name-to-hide-behind and the probable reason for it. I'm an elancer. By using that name you purport to speak for me and for any/all of the elancers. That certainly isn't so. you are way out of line. Although your grammar and spelling are superior to most of your fellow masked activists, your sentiments are equally distasteful to theirs. If I ever see anything attributed more directly to me, as has apparently happened to Ron, and it is not mine, I will take every action I can to publicly identify the perpetrator. And that may be just the start. Valda |
| elancer |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 13:40:21 04/10/2001 I don't know why you are saying that I am impersonating you. I am not. Look, w8r and his cohorts are out of control. I would fear for my life if I gave up my identity. I'm sure eLance has received bomb threats by now from this group. Your own post indicates violent or nefarious retaliation against me -- "And that may be just the start" you ominously suggest. I wonder why I am wasting time posting this since w8r can not stand dissent and he is removing my posts. However, this is just like an autocrat "revolutionary". he purports to lead the masses, but any dissent from HIS dissent is treated with a back of the hand, a visit in the night, and a public clubbing in the speaking hall. It's amazing how much passion a site has caused in starting to charge some money in order to continue in operation instead of just giving itself away. Don't you all realize how silly this is? |
| Aedyn |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 14:02:07 04/10/2001 elancer--That is the most paranoid thing I have ever heard! No one here has ever threatened anyone and I'm confident they would not do so. If you don't want to know the truth, that is fine. It obviously scares you as you have been offered it and decide inside to launch personal attacks. There is nothing in this for me and I've personally decided that I can do nothing to make people see what they don't want to see. Please continue to give your money to eLance. Give them everything you have. Shout their name from rooftops and praise them to your God. Do whatever you need to do and whatever you feel is right. But stop wasting our time and yours by coming on here and attacking people for what they believe. You've only succeeded in making yourself look foolish. For that reason alone, I hope your post remains here. |
| Fly on the Wall |
Re: Cooler --**-- Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 14:28:51 04/10/2001 If I had to make an educated guess I would say 'elancer' = 'Icreative' .....'Ben Tibbits' Thou doth protest too much....and gave yourself away by what you said. |
| Fly on the Wall |
Re: Cooler --**-- Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 14:30:29 04/10/2001 If I had to make an educated guess I would say 'elancer' = 'Icreative' .....'Ben Tibbits' Thou doth protest too much....and gave yourself away by what you said. |
| Aedyn |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 15:38:35 04/10/2001 I had assumed that was who it was...that is, before the IP was checked and confirmed. You have to realize that by posting, you are never truly anonymous, no matter which name you decide to "hide" under. I'm not sure what his (Icreative) agenda is, but I've given him the option of emailing Juice since he doesn't believe the first post is really from him. I hate to put Juice in that position as I know he doesn't want to be brought into the whole thing. Can't say I blame him at all. This thing has turned into a "hate" topic for those that refuse to see the writing on the wall. I, personally, am getting tired of having to defend myself against being called a "liar", "troublemaker", "cohort", "follower", or any number of names that have been thrown my way. What would I possibly have to gain by posting here or on eLance for that matter? I don't fear Steve (or anyone else), our friendship is not based on Choice, and I don't even care whether eLance goes on or not at this point. What I did care about was making sure people had all of the facts before making their decisions. Decisions which I believe everyone should make for themselves and not to be a part of any group. I'm sorry now that I even tried or cared. People who don't care to investigate allegations and instead choose to bash others that do are the last people on Earth that I care about. I have only one thing left to say to them--Best of luck to you and may you get what you deserve. |
| elancer |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 18:41:29 04/10/2001 Well, I can see this is a pretty funny discussion. I post a message (free of invective and profanity) and since it doesn't follow lockstep with the party agenda my posts are removed. (You can't handle the truth?) Anyway, you then respond to my post, but a casual observer would be confused since they can't see the post it's responding to... sort of like listening to one side of a telephone conversation. With each post you remove further desperation is proven. 1.) If, Aedyn, you are not a "CB" for W8R, why does being accused of such sting so? 2.) If my posts are inane or obviously false, why are they removed? What are you afraid of? 3.) The 2 points above Aedyn, should make you re-think your position: defending a man, w8r, who has any dissenting voice immediately removed from his forum. Whereas, you could login into eLance, and get an earful of anti-elance rhetoric. Clearly, *they* are not afraid. Also I like this idea of fingering my identity so you can target me for retaliation. The IP address thing is an obvious ploy -- there is no way you could track my IP since I don't have my own. In fact, I am masking my IP and disguising it as someone else's -- not Icreative's since I don't even know his or hers. Whatever, call me Icreative, tho I feel sorry for getting that person involved in this and more hate spilled onto himorher for having views opposed to the w8r cult. |
| Stratola |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 22:24:11 04/10/2001 It's go time... Daddy's home (laces up the gloves) |
| Aedyn |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 23:15:11 04/10/2001 I'll play your lil game, but only for a minute since that's all you're worth to me. 1)Should be obvious, but...I get offended when people say crap about me that isn't true. 2)I, and others here, have a problem with people saying crap about other people that isn't true. 3)My position has nothing to do with Steve nor is it any of your business or concern. I've made my agenda crystal clear, but obviously you do not believe in reading before making a post. Of course, I'm a liar according to you, so why do you even bother to ask me questions? Perhaps you would do well to find somewhere else to hang out, Mr. Tibbits, as you're clearly not here for a constructive discussion. PS--Look up and you will see your other two posts that you claim were removed. They've been there the whole time, but just further proves my point that some people see only what they want to see. |
| Valda Wells (inprint4all) |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 07:14:26 04/11/2001 elancer, If you think that I threatened, then you don't read as well as you expound. I simply stated a fact about my certain reaction if a particular something happened -- if a mosquito lands on my arm, I will slap it; kill it dead. If you think you are (or if you are) a mosquito, then don't land on my arm. Unless you are a masochistic mosquito. |
| sszgo |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 19:25:20 04/11/2001 hehe... give me the "elancer"s email and lets get him done once and for entire next month... |
| Aedyn |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 20:00:40 04/11/2001 No, no, no, sszgo. We're a peaceful bunch, remember? ;) Besides, I think he got bored with us and decided to go play elsewhere. He obviously was not here for any kind of constructive conversation, so it's good if he did leave. How are you doing, by the way? |
| DefyAntz |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 12:43:59 04/12/2001 Hey sszgo, why didn't you ever respond to my e-mail? |
| CrimsonBelle |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 17:19:11 04/12/2001 eLancer - I find your comment quite funny - You wrote: "(You can't handle the truth?)" - You weren't offering any truth - anyone that feels the need to hide behind a false name has no truth to offer. And I have not seen any posts removed by Steve here. I do wonder why he doesn't remove some of them though. They are getting quite old. Oh - I get it now! He refuses to stoop to eLance's level! Way to go Steve! And for anyone who wants to come here and complain that they don't like it I have one question. What is your IQ level? Anyone with intelligence who doesn't like this place would just not come here. What a novel idea! - Misty |
| su |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 19:16:03 04/12/2001 Hey, sszgo! How you doing? |
| W8R |
Re: Cooler Bitch Mania (Currently 0 replies)
Posted At 19:45:37 04/12/2001 Crimson, we (myself and others) have removed over 20 posts to date, nearly all from this incognito character. Several of his posts were destructive (they rendered the boards posted to useless for a few minutes but late in the AM when nobody was here) while others were simply personal attacks on me and others -- some were obscene. As you can see, his posts add nothing to informative debate, but distract from the subject matter at hand. Our lawyers this week have advised us to pull them, so we do. Steve |
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